This..

[Kaze]

...is why we Americans love football. This brought a tear of joy to my eye. Reminded me of my high school football days. (And if you come in here going LOL RUGBY > FUTBAL LOL SOCCER = REEL FOOTBALL CUZ LOL, I will report you and give you a good flame.).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2W8qvH-LMg

[jambo]

Some of them were pretty damn good, reminds me of taking people out in Aussie Rules at high school!

[Love_Nutz]

Bah, sports!

Well I may not be a sports fan but US football is just a copy of rugby and turned into inbreed son

[jambo]

American Football is indeed a direct descendant of Rugby and other similar ball sports played in the United Kingdom, but nowadays it is definitely a sport in its own right!

[Kaze]

Bah, sports!

Well I may not be a sports fan but US football is just a copy of rugby and turned into inbreed son

Did you read the first post?

One more comment directed like that, and you're in for a paragraph of textual ownage.

[jambo]

It would indeed be interesting to finally witness said "textual ownage" :rolleyes:


Does anyone remember that video of the guy doing the flip over the players for a touchdown? It would have to be doing the rounds on YouTube by now!

[Kaze]

Or the NY Jets flip play..looking for it on YT now.

[rtanger]

All I have to do is watch John Lynch do what Lynch does best and I know that football is a damn fine sport.

Anyone who isn't American just doesn't really understand.

BTW- awesome video.

[Love_Nutz]

Did you read the first post?

I really didn't care to be honest with you

One more comment directed like that, and you're in for a paragraph of textual ownage.

Oh brother :rolleyes:

Sticks and stones may break my bones, angry 12 year old's who show a slight psychotic mind can't damage me.

Give me you're best shot :haha:

[Kaze]

Angry 12 year olds? :haha:

Let me guess, you're one of those same 12 year olds, except the type that try to sound really mature, but completely fail in all aspects.

[Natoksane]

Get back on topic and stop flaming, guys. If this goes and derails again it's locked.

[jambo]

Shouldn't this be in the Sport section anyway?

[Kester]

American football is a soft man version of Rugby though. I've tried watching it and can't stand how boring it is, there is no flow whatsoever.

[Kaze]

Kester, Kester, Kester...

See, you people just don't get it. I told you not to come in here *****ing about how you think rugby is better than American football, but you proceed to make yourself look illiterate anyways. We have some big mother****ing guys in the NFL, and they hit alot harder than many of the guys in your rugby leagues do, whether you want to believe it or not. I want you to tell me that you could honestly take some of those hits without any form of padding whatsoever. American football is derived from rugby. All that is different is that it is more organized, and we have pads.

As far as I can see, *****ing about how you think rugby is better makes you look like a complete idiot. This goes for anyone.

(And if you're going to give me an infraction for filtered swear words, be my guest.)

[Kester]

As far as I can see, *****ing about how you think rugby is better makes you look like a complete idiot. This goes for anyone.
Can you not see how I can just turn that around though? It's all a matter of opinion.

Oh and I'll come into any thread and speak my mind thank you regardless of what you tell me, or what you think should go on in said thread.

Me and my mod team make the rules, not you.

If you continue to flame people who go against "your rules and disclaimers" or even set out disclaimers like in this thread I will issue infractions.

[Kaze]

Be my guest, Kester.

[Tesseract]

I only ever watch the superbowl for football. This is wholly for the gambling/drinking aspect though. Last year I won a Coors Light football jersey from "The Wahoo!" in Belleville.

Although I do prefer rugby, I will give American football this:

It's much better than Canadian football!

[rtanger]

^True that.

You wacky canadians and your 20 yard endzones and strange goalposts.

[Kester]

Be my guest, Kester.
Just to clarify, I couldn't care less if I have to ban one person to better the forums for the rest of us. Don't think because you have been here so long, or are ****y that I'll think twice about issuing infractions of banning someone who needs it.

[Ares]

Bringing this thread back on track,

I remember when two of my friends (both American) introduced a Brit to football...

First comment: "My God this is so violent... I LOVE IT!"

[TheTaxidermist]

I know a lot of people like to use the argument that football (American) players are pussies because they wear pads. That's simply not true. It's a matter of life and death. The year before the put severe restrictions (a long time ago) on the way you could tackle and so forth, there were 33 deaths in professional football. I don't know about you, but it's a good idea to protect this big investment athletes. In the case of rugby, yeah it's violent and there are no pads, but most of their players are not built nearly quite as well as most football players. I wish youtube still had the video up "Over the Middle". It was a great part of a documentary demonstrating what it was like having to catch a pass over the middle. Scary stuff.

And to comment on the video, anytime somebody is going full speed one direction and they get knocked backwards on a hit, they got jacked up. Anybody watch the Miami, New York game last monday night? Two players got drilled, two plays in a row.

Oh and anybody who says football has no flow, probably hasn't seen a properly orchestrated two-minute drill.'

Haha, I just found this, check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpT1Q0DL1cA

poor kicker. Get out of bounds!

[Kester]

Wow, 2 minutes of flow. It's hardly 40 minutes though it is?

Oh and the reason it's violent is because they use their padding and helmets as weapons, nothing more. I'd love to see any of them attempt a tackle in rugby.

[TheTaxidermist]

Wow, it's because they use pads... as weapons. I guess that makes sense. Trust me, a 250 pound lineback, could nail the crap out of a rugby player. And in football, at most points it's against the rules to tackle leading with the helmet. Especially on vulnerable players such as QB's and WR's. Most of the time, they lead with the shoulder. I've watched rugby and I'd say there's hardly any kind of flow.

[Kaze]

Agreed with TheTaxidermist. Don't rugby players throw their teammates into the air to catch a ball or something? And you call that paced..

[Kester]

How can you even comment on a sport you have very little idea on, Kaze?

And Taxi, I very much doubt american footballers would last long playing rugby, with rugby rules. However I'm pretty certain it wouldn't be the same if it was reversed.

[Tesseract]

^True that.

You wacky canadians and your 20 yard endzones and strange goalposts.

Let's not forget only 3 downs.

I think people are mistaking rugby players as small, because they don't appear as large without padding. My uncle played to the Canadian National team, but didn't hardly get to play because at 6 foot 5 and 268lbs, he wasn't big enough(some of it was because of his build though). Many of those fellows are 6foot 6 plus, and push 290lbs. and not too many big guts are in rugby....

american football does have cheerleaders for the guys though...

[Kaze]

Kester, you fail to see the point. Both games are similar, but completely different in their own ways. I seriously doubt a rugby player could understand the workings of American football, and I'm sure a football player wouldn't understand rugby that well. You say I am commenting on a sport I know very little about :rolleyes:.

[rtanger]

Aside from the hard hits, there's really layers of strategy underneath each play, and Kaze is right, it's simply very difficult to understand without watching it or playing it a great deal.

Much like I see rugby. When I watch a rugby match, I see a pile of guys tripping over each other and wrestling in the mud while trying to beat the crap out of a watermelon.

I don't say the game is inferior, but I will admit I don't understand what's going on.

Different games indeed, but I love my Football.

[TheTaxidermist]

I love the strategy in football, and most of the time, that's what it comes down to. Sure there may be a very short break in between plays, but that's time to strategize. And frankly most say "football players have no stamina and they get tired so fast." What's more difficult to run, 100 yards or to run 10 yards as fast as you can, stop, run 10 yards as fast as you can, stop then run 10 yards as fast as you can, and so on.

[Brendon]

Don't forget, Tess, the CFL also has Ricky Williams!

As for rugby vs football, keep in mind that MOST of the players in the NFL are HUGE. If they weren't wearing pads, they'd kill most of the people out there. Both sports have their own good and negative aspects, though.

The video was entertaining, but a LOT of those were dirty hits. They may look awesome, but they screw over the team. My favorite football highlight videos are still the ones with good ol' Barry. Never see him get hit like that!

[bluseychris]

Kester, you fail to see the point. Both games are similar, but completely different in their own ways. I seriously doubt a rugby player could understand the workings of American football, and I'm sure a football player wouldn't understand rugby that well. You say I am commenting on a sport I know very little about :rolleyes:.

A rugby player would do better at AF than the other way round. Admittedly AF allows tackling players who haven't got the ball, but then you have padding and the rugby players are the same build as the AF players. The frequent breaks in play would help the rugby players no end as they're used to playing for 40 minutes at a time as opposed to 2 minutes then 2 minute or so break. The padding wouldn't cause much trouble, they just have to remember to get stuck in.

On the otherhand an AF team playing rugby would have to be prepared to charge around for 40 minutes at a time pretty much non stop. On top of that the speed of play is a lot faster than AF. Also the fact that AF has your offensive and deffensive groups (from what I can remember), rugby has 15 men and a few subs. They play all match, no off and on (unless you have a blood sub or full substitution.

[Kester]

Kester, you fail to see the point. Both games are similar, but completely different in their own ways. I seriously doubt a rugby player could understand the workings of American football, and I'm sure a football player wouldn't understand rugby that well. You say I am commenting on a sport I know very little about :rolleyes:.
I've played both games and have watched both extensively. I know both sports quite well. Admittedly I know rugby more, but I still know a decent amount about American Football, oh and there's another gripe... Football? How often do you actually kick the ball in American Football!?

Edit- blusey couldn't be closer to the truth!

[Flarty]

just to educate the yanks on who think the NFL is more of a harder more contact sport,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OoT1dfcTUaY

Rugby = Gladiators
NFL = Ballerinas on steroids

[TheTaxidermist]

On the otherhand an AF team playing rugby would have to be prepared to charge around for 40 minutes at a time pretty much non stop. On top of that the speed of play is a lot faster than AF.

I'd have to disagree that the speed of play in Rugby is a lot faster than american football. When college players go to the professionals, one of the biggest differences they notice is that professional football is a LOT faster than college football. In proffessional football, everything is happening so fast and you have to make perfect split-second decisions. Oh and on the comment of that video you posted, NFL players get hit like that all the time, but of course you have the padding so it doesn't seem like it's as hard. I think they did a study and found that hard football tackles were the equivelant of being in a car accident. Yeah, you have to be tough to play BOTH sports. The hitting can be the same in both sports. I got nothin against rugby because I know it's a tough hard-hitting sport, but don't act like rugby is any tougher than football because they are both really tough to play and to be good at. I personally like football better because of the strategy and of course, the only people that really player rugby around here are high schools and colleges.

[Kaze]

Flarty, nobody even wants your opinion. You have proved time and time again that you lack any form of logic.

Football? How often do you actually kick the ball in American Football!?

Yeah, everyone always tosses that one out. Who really ****ing cares? Maybe it means you're carrying the ball and moving with your feet. Why don't you ask the guy that invented the damn sport :rolleyes:.

[Natoksane]

Kaze, play nice. Flarty was merely showing a video of how rugby plays opposed to football.

[jambo]

Aussie Rules > Soccer > Rugby > American Football

kthxbye

[Kaze]

Well any argument in this thread equates to precisely dick.

MOAR COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THESE GUYS GOT JACKED THE **** UP, LESS COMMENTS ON HOW YOU THINK BALLET OWNS HACKEYSACK OR WHATNOT.

[Flarty]

Flarty, nobody even wants your opinion. You have proved time and time again that you lack any form of logic.

Now now, there's no need to cry, here have a hankie and turn that frown upside down :P
*passes hanker chief*



Yeah, everyone always tosses that one out. Who really ****ing cares? Maybe it means you're carrying the ball and moving with your feet. Why don't you ask the guy that invented the damn sport :rolleyes:.

Well how come the rest of the world calls soccer, football?

[Love_Nutz]

Flarty rise a good point, no other country calls football, soccer...

Well if I had to give a name to US football name like states gave our football a pansy name, I would call it "Bastard Child Rugby" but thats my opinion

[Flarty]

you misspelt my name O_O

[Love_Nutz]

Whoops, Hey sorry, catch me later, I'll buy you a beer

[Kaze]

I would call it "Bastard Child Rugby" but thats my opinion

I love it :haha:.

[Tesseract]

Flarty rise a good point, no other country calls football, soccer...


WRONG!
No other CONTINENT calls it Soccer.
Canadians call it soccer as well.

[Flarty]

OK 2 countries against the rest of the world.

[Vincent]

Does it matter which sport is the most violent?

[Kaze]

But everyone knows what you're talking about when you say soccer, so the whole world acknowledges it as soccer, but a majority call it football. Therefore, if you wanted to be logical about it, it would be more sensical to just have people call it soccer, since it has 2 names (futbol/football and soccer), and American Football only has 1 (football).

[Love_Nutz]

^^Words of a man who doesn't know how the rest of the worlds thinks

[TheTaxidermist]

Does it matter which sport is the most violent?

Yes... this is why I love hockey. I watched this hockey fight last friday I think... was awesome. It was like watchin Tyson and Holyfield go at it except they weren't nearly as muscular and probably not nearly as retarded.

[Flarty]

But everyone knows what you're talking about when you say soccer, so the whole world acknowledges it as soccer, but a majority call it football. Therefore, if you wanted to be logical about it, it would be more sensical to just have people call it soccer, since it has 2 names (futbol/football and soccer), and American Football only has 1 (football).

lol typical American thinking, "we might be the minority but we're gonna invade Iraq anyway, oops i mean call it football" :P

I actually do enjoy ice hockey, though never paid much attention to the sport as it rarely gets coverage here.

[rtanger]

Jesus does it even freakin' matter? Almost two whole pages about the stupid soccer vs football thing! Not anything interesting of course, just the freakin' name of the game!

Isn't there anything more compelling to talk about here?
This is a stupid discussion.

[Vincent]

lol typical American thinking, "we might be the minority but we're gonna invade Iraq anyway, oops i mean call it football" :P

I actually do enjoy ice hockey, though never paid much attention to the sport as it rarely gets coverage here.
Yeah, let's turn this into a political flamefest O_O

Jesus does it even freakin' matter? Almost two whole pages about the stupid soccer vs football thing! Not anything interesting of course, just the freakin' name of the game!

Isn't there anything more compelling to talk about here?
This is a stupid discussion.

You're right.

[Kaze]

lol typical American thinking, "we might be the minority but we're gonna invade Iraq anyway, oops i mean call it football" :P

I actually do enjoy ice hockey, though never paid much attention to the sport as it rarely gets coverage here.

Typical Flarty/Stoner thinking :rolleyes:.

Flarty, as I said before, You've proved time and time again you lack the logic to hold up a decent discussion, so don't even try.

[Natoksane]

This thread goes on track, then goes off, goes on track, then goes off.

I'm closing this.

[Kester]

Infractions have also been issued.