kill bill vol. 1 and 2...

[dooganking]

again another movie brought up in another thread (best movies of 2005 or something like that...), this time about the movies kill bill vols. 1 and 2. And yet again i will repost what i have said in the other thread:

as for kill bill... i didn't think there was anything to it besides an effing list... there just was a broken storyline (something tarantino's famous for so no biggie...) and a list being crossed off... thats not revenge... thats shopping... but then again i couldn't bring myself to watch the second part... i couldn't take how much tarantino used the excessive blood (i know... thats the point... it gets pretty retarded and ridiculous after a while without much comedy...) the other thing i thought about the movie was that if this was a tribute to some of those movies that influenced tarantino i thought that kill bill was more of a spoof of a tribute...


i was told not to [see vol. 2] by every single one of my friends who did see it (vol 2.) who told me the exact same things i've put in these posts... beyond that i was completely put off by the first. And basically what it comes down to for me, is where you saw substance in the kill bill movies i saw emptiness... thats just my opinion, if ya take it worth a grain of salt thats a different matter completely... (i've also been told that vol. 1 is all action and maybe a little story and vol. 2 is all story and a little action, don't know if thats true or not but... it was what was said... though if you ask me revenge requires very little story in the first place...).


Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Russo
"that is true and that is why you missed the movie, if you haven't seen both halves, which is essentially two parts to one movie, then you missed the whole point. Yes story is needed in revenge to serve as motivation, otherwise who cares"



uhm... wouldn't the fact that one gets the satisfaction of revenge be motivation? thus, story in a revenge movie is limited, in my opinion, to WHY one wants revenge. So, a movie starts, i start killing people, why am i killing people?, because those people killed my family. Sure there could be a little bit more, like maybe i backstabbed those people or swindled them for bajiliions of dollars, and then there might be a little filler like, they set me up to make it look like i killed my own family... i don't know man... i just don't see much to it past that. The only thing i need to know about revenge is why people are dying... the first movie gave me that... all the other stuff is like toppings... and i HATE peanuts on my sundaes... blech... maybe i'll see it eventually but i doubt i will pay money to do so...


like i said before... whether you take my opinions worth a grain of salt is a different matter completely...

HOWEVER... the kill bill series was release as 2 movies, thus it should be treated as such... whether the director wanted it released as one or not is good to know but irrelevant. I saw the first one and i thought that was enough. This is what my comments have said so far. I have said very little about vol. 2 besides that i haven't seen it and that i will probably not see it.
Seeing both allows one to comment on the series as a whole. If i have said something specific about vol. 2 please regard it as something being said by one who has not seen that movie, but also please regard it as something said in response to vol. 1.
--end of what i wrote (except for joe's quote which i added for continuity reasons) in the other thread.

please comment as thou sees fit...

[Joe Russo]

here is the problem....you keep calling kill bill a SERIES and it isn't a SERIES it is ONE MOVIE divided into TWO halves because of the STUDIO. If I had only watched the first hour of Punisher I wouldnt say anything about it because I hadn't seen the whole piece of work. I truly believe that you shouldn't comment on a film unless you have seen it in its entirtey because it is unfair to the hard and laborious work the filmmakers and talent have put into the project otherwise other wise they might as well just work in television so people can channel hop during their program. And that is all I am saying on this topic, can we please get back to 2005?

[dooganking]

i was just giving this its own topic instead of hijacking the thread about 2005 since the kill bill movies (yeah i'm gonna be like that and completely disagree) were made in 2003 and 2004...

and as for the 2 movie thing... again i say its irrelavant... especially as the thing was released as 2 movies, BUT it is worth knowing, i will give it that... now what you are saying is that a person can't judge a tv show by watching the first episode or 2... that they must watch the entire season before they comment on it... or that every single comment about star wars episode 1 is unfounded because at that time they hadn't seen all 5 other star wars movies... bull puckey man... some might say that i'm not giving it a chance... well... thats what the first movie was and i didn't feel it warranted any more of my time.


other than that i say we move on to 2006...

[Joe Russo]

"channel hop during their program"

Did I say anything about the series? no I was talking about an individual episode. That is why your whole argument is off base. Kill Bill vol 1 and 2 is one piece of work. An individual television program is one piece of work. A season is comparable to a sequel in film, because that establishes a SERIES. Kill Bill vol 1 and 2 is not a SERIES why don't you get that?

[noobman]

The action was great, but the movie wasn't all that. Basically the second movie picks up right after the first one... it's like when they stick a "to be continued" in an episode of a TV show.

That Asian karate master was pretty freaky, and the 5 step exploding heart technique was, euh, interesting.

Definitly not Tarentino's worst film, but not his best by a long shot either.

[dooganking]

because whether it is one work split up, two works, or 30 billion works is IRRELEVANT... whether there are 30 episodes to a tv show doesn't matter... ITS THE SAME SHOW... if a person doesn't like the first show there's NOTHING to keep him there to watch the other episodes... whether theres only 1 more 'episode' or 30 makes no difference... not to mention tv shows don't win awards for single episodes... but for the entire season as the episodes are part of the whole...

as for the "hard and laborious work of the filmmakers and actors"... well... i'm sure uwe boll worked hard on his films as well... is it then unfair to think, since all of his past works blow, that bloodrayne blows as well...?

[FoxFire]

But that is completely irrelevant to getting the point of the movie! The second part seems to lay down a lot more story work then the first one, which in that case, your missing alot.
-FoxFire

[Joe Russo]

But that is completely irrelevant to getting the point of the movie! The second part seems to lay down a lot more story work then the first one, which in that case, your missing alot.
-FoxFire

THANK YOU!!!!! I am so happy finally somebody else saw my point! I don't care what you think of the movie just don't trash if if you didn't see the whole thing! And this is my last point on this stupid topic!

[Fito]

Well, when the DVD comes out later this year that edits and splices the two movies together, which is how QT wanted it to be, we can all watch it and argue then.