Crytek Vs Unreal

[geostigma]

So I have seen lots of good stuff coming from Unreal and Cryteck.. Who do you think is going to be the ultimate game engine for this next/current gen games?

Im not sure to vote UE3 Or crysis at this point lol. I'm leaning more to UE3 because you can run so much more on lower system specs and not having to out do your computer like crysis does. However cryteck has developed a pretty solid environmental engine, with amazing lighting cannon for huge out door levels :happy:

Both are visually appealing don't get me wrong but as seen with the ps3 it isn't always about technology and power.

[jambo]

I'd have to say Unreal, because the modding community for UT99 and UT2004 was HUGE! With the new UT3 coming soon it's gonna be great for UT modders, cause lots of teams will be able to move from UnrealEd for UE2.5 to UnrealEd for UE3 pretty easily!

Plus I've never really liked the way characters move on the Cry engines, it always looked unrealistic and jerky, plus the models weren't to my liking. From what i've seen of UT3 though, the players models look great and the animations flow nicely!

Cryteck deos of course have the huge landscapes but some of the UT3 maps are pretty bloody big as well.

[Atomic Waffle]

I'm in it for the physics, to be honest. And Crytek takes the cake.

[jambo]

So if the gameeplay is crap, you'd still buy a game using Crytek just to play with the physics?!

[NavMan]

So far I've only seen crytek shots and frankly I'm very impressed. Could someone post shots of the new Unreal engine?

[NeoSeeker]

Though i have seen unreal engine 3, and it's pretty, CryEngine 2 seems much more realistic.

[DKR1138]

Unreal, its the full package... Its a developers dream and a gamers visual/gamings awesomeness.

[Kester]

Crytek, it doesn't fall victim to the plastic model look.

[Jabode]

So if the gameeplay is crap, you'd still buy a game using Crytek just to play with the physics?!

Unreal has had some crappy games. In terms of engine, not games that used the engine, I say crytech hands down. If its so great, why don't we have a 6 page thread dedicated to it?

[P-Thunder.]

Cryteck2 for me, looks alot more realistic. Things look acctualy real.

[NavMan]

OK here (http://www.unrealtechnology.com/html/technology/ue30.shtml) are some of the shots on the UE3. Comparing some of those outdoor and indoor shots, Crytek wins by far. UE3 still has that "cartoony" look, whereas you can just tell the difference between some of the crytek shots and real life.

I won't comment on the graphics of models right now because all i see are monsters.

[P-Thunder.]

I agree, crytek just looks more realistic,

[Dr.Aaron]

I'm not voting until I see some real UT2007 action.

[rtanger]

IMO they're both great engines suited to different purposes, and I don't see UT3's lack of "realistic" appearance as a liability, just the chance for a different creative direction.

I don't care what engine a game's built on, as long as the game's kickass.

In the end it'll come down to which engine is easier to modify and adapt to different situations, something I don't think we'll be able to figure definitively until both engines are in regular use.

[P-Thunder.]

I don't care what engine a game's built on, as long as the game's kickass.



Well, lets put crysis on quake 3 engine and see if it kicks ass then? The engine can determin weather a game can be fun or not, granted story line is a major factor as well.

[rtanger]

...that isn't exactly what I was meaning to say, but take it how you want it. I was meaning if the game was built with that engine in mind:dry: As for Crysis on Quake3, that's just silly, and obviously wouldn't work, since the game isn't designed with that engine in mind.

So, in that sense, I disagree with you. An engine is only as good as the people developing on it, a good engine does not automatically a good game make.

[Jabode]

^I agree with that, but in terms of which engine I would rather see games on, it would have to be crysis. Again, this argument will loop back into the pros and cons of realism. I like the unreal-engine, but we have had to little realism lately in games, at least IMO. So I really want to see crysis pulled off right.

[rtanger]

What if Crysis' gameplay ends up being derivative and boring, while UT3 ends up redefining the idea of a shooter (just playing devil's advocate here,) would the graphics and the engine alone keep you playing Crysis over UT3?
[or just imagine hypothetical-game-A and hypothetical-game-B]

[Flarty]

i think the crysis engine looks incredible and jaw dropping, and would suit some epic style games with massive breath taking visuals. The unreal 3 engine just has a nice look to it which i hope to see many fun games on, anyone remember XIII, that engine was designed to be cartoons but it was still a fantastic game, like stated earlier its all about creative direction.

[P-Thunder.]

What if Crysis' gameplay ends up being derivative and boring, while UT3 ends up redefining the idea of a shooter (just playing devil's advocate here,) would the graphics and the engine alone keep you playing Crysis over UT3?
[or just imagine hypothetical-game-A and hypothetical-game-B]

Well, most likly, i dont like the UT games, =]

Except the first one.

[rtanger]

Hence why I introduced hypothetical games A and B:)
That way hopefully people would overlook their biases against the games in question- hoping to keep the focus on the engines. Didn't work though. Ah well.

[P-Thunder.]

I personaly think that cryengine2 just looks more, realistic.
http://gamesfirst.com/images/content/2006_06/1149704542_comparison018mx4df.jpg
I mean, just look at that shot, they look so simerlar.

[morolen]

everyone seems to forget that the unreal world has a distinct style and they arent trying for realism, whereas cryengine is trying for hyper realism unreal is trying for highly stylized sci-fi comic book look. I think they are both very powerful and do what they were designed to do very well.

[P-Thunder.]

Yeah i understand what you mean, thats why its difficult to compare the too.

[geostigma]

I'm for UE unless out door environments sucks ass. I like the look of the unreal engine. How ever I love the realism of crysis

[Jabode]

What if Crysis' gameplay ends up being derivative and boring, while UT3 ends up redefining the idea of a shooter (just playing devil's advocate here,) would the graphics and the engine alone keep you playing Crysis over UT3?
[or just imagine hypothetical-game-A and hypothetical-game-B]

At this point, thats just guessing. My guess is that both games will be awesome in different ways. Like Bf1942 and UT2004

I personaly think that cryengine2 just looks more, realistic.
http://gamesfirst.com/images/content/2006_06/1149704542_comparison018mx4df.jpg
I mean, just look at that shot, they look so simerlar.
Stole my picture!

[P-Thunder.]

Haha, that pics been floating around for months!

[BahamutBBob]

A better comparison would be CryEngine 2 and Alan Wake's engine, considering they both look fantastic and realistic.

But between UE3 and CE2, I'd go for UE3. Sure, Gears of War has THE scariest (ugly, uninspired, and looks downright bad compared to the other characters) character in the current gen of games, but everything else looks fantastic. I'd love to see it expanded on. Crysis is good looking and all, but nothing I have can run it, unless they do a Xbox 360 port.

[cowfish13]

I havent seen too much of Unreal but Cryengine2 blew me away. I haven't really gave unreal a chance yet but until i see both it's features and devlopent kit I will be able to choose.

What's so great about cry is that it is easy to develope. You wouldn't have to make. There is a tool for each type of design you are trying to accomplish and it makes sence to use building block syle object for buildings.

[jambo]

That's another thing. The UE powered games have always run well on lower end PCs as well as the mid to high-end ones. For some reason I doubt CryEngine 2 will be very nice to anything below a 7900/7950

[Kester]

A better comparison would be CryEngine 2 and Alan Wake's engine, considering they both look fantastic and realistic.

But between UE3 and CE2, I'd go for UE3. Sure, Gears of War has THE scariest (ugly, uninspired, and looks downright bad compared to the other characters) character in the current gen of games, but everything else looks fantastic. I'd love to see it expanded on. Crysis is good looking and all, but nothing I have can run it, unless they do a Xbox 360 port.
Well this thread isn't about the games, it's about the engine. So the artistic direction of GoW is a moot point, it's about what the engine can do, not what someone did with it. I still think Cryengine is a superior engine, for 1 it's a much more recent engine and secondly it's a far more realistic looking engine.

[P-Thunder.]

That's another thing. The UE powered games have always run well on lower end PCs as well as the mid to high-end ones. For some reason I doubt CryEngine 2 will be very nice to anything below a 7900/7950

Depends which version of directx is running!

[Jabode]

That's another thing. The UE powered games have always run well on lower end PCs as well as the mid to high-end ones. For some reason I doubt CryEngine 2 will be very nice to anything below a 7900/7950

Shut up Shut Up SHUT UP! *To 7800gt* He didn't mean it baby, you and me will to fine. Its going to be a whole new beatiful world.

[Kester]

My 6800 doesn't fear crysis!

[P-Thunder.]

It fears dx10 crysis?

[Kester]

It fears nothing!

[P-Thunder.]

What a brave but foolosh graphics card, my Geforce 6100 onboard fears all.

[noobman]

Crytek looks a lot nicer... but the Unreal 3 engine will probably be the most common. Seriously, how many games were released on the original Far Cry's engine?

Besides, so many devs stuck with the Unreal 2 engine for it's solid netcode and ease of use... so why switch? I honestly thought more dev s would go after the Source engine. It's cheaper to license, easier to use, and is the benchmark in online performance. The visuals aren't as nice though.

Want to see the UE3 engine in action? Uhh... Gears of War, Rainbow Six Vegas, Roboblitz, and Fatal Inertia all use it.

[morolen]

all i have to say about crysis and it requirements are...


NOT ****ING SUPREME COMMANDER

[jambo]

btw, to all of the people that say they UT games look cartoony: Go and look up the modification called Infiltration for UT99. It is probably the most realistic mod ever. It features extremely detailed and realistic models with crouching and proning as well as iron sights (no crosshair). All of the levels are artwork are realistic and it looks great!

[Jabode]

all i have to say about crysis and it requirements are...


NOT ****ING SUPREME COMMANDER

The Supreme Commander engine was bad. WAY TO MUCH LAAAGGGGGGG.

[noobman]

It's really a split between artwork and engine.

For example... there's really no avoiding the plastic look with the Doom 3 engine. There's too many lighting restrictions imposed by the real time shadowing-thingy dingy.

Now, look at Splinter Cell and compare it to a game like... oh... Postal 2. Both games were made with the same engine, but one looks absolutely ridiculous while the other looks pretty realistic.


For a better example... look at Team Fortress 2 compared to Half Life 2. Same engine, same developer, and a radically different look.

Most of what we've seen from the Unreal 3 engine is Gears of War artwork. There have been a few shots of Unreal 3, which looks pretty similar as well. Rainbow Six Vegas and Fatal Intertia don't share that same look, and would appear to be different engines to someone that didn't know better! (R6-V uses some lighting effects that give it away, lol)

So far all we've seen from the Crytek engine is Crysis. Remember, most game engines are capable of producing far better visuals than their first games display, because developers design game engines for longevity. Why spend tons of time and money on R and D when your product reaches its full capacity and subsequently becomes obsolete in a year or less?

[BahamutBBob]

Well this thread isn't about the games, it's about the engine. So the artistic direction of GoW is a moot point, it's about what the engine can do, not what someone did with it. I still think Cryengine is a superior engine, for 1 it's a much more recent engine and secondly it's a far more realistic looking engine.
Thanks for ignoring the fact that I said I like how UE3 is shaping up more. And, if you can't tell, I don't CARE how realistic the game can look, I care how WELL it runs. As I've said multiple times, I can't run CE2 on anything I have, unless they port it to 360.

I love how people on these forums IGNORE THE POINTS OF MY POSTS MORE THAN HALF THE TIME! I'm taking a few days off from the forums. I'm tired of people talking down to me here.

[NavMan]

Well, I think since we are in a new generation of gaming and people are slowly moving to ps3, xbox360, wii, I don't really think compatibility with older system matters. To play the latest games, you've always needed up-to-date hardware. And since there's such a huge gap between the new dx10 cards and dx9 one's, developers might as well make games to their full potential.

[Kester]

Thanks for ignoring the fact that I said I like how UE3 is shaping up more. And, if you can't tell, I don't CARE how realistic the game can look, I care how WELL it runs. As I've said multiple times, I can't run CE2 on anything I have, unless they port it to 360.

I love how people on these forums IGNORE THE POINTS OF MY POSTS MORE THAN HALF THE TIME! I'm taking a few days off from the forums. I'm tired of people talking down to me here.
If you can't have a debate without getting so wound up that you have to leave for a couple of days it's probably a good thing that you are taking some time off.

You haven't even played on the Crytek engine and you are already writting it off as unplayable on your system. Do you even know how well it scales down?

Also, I didn't ignore what you said. I said artistic approach is a moot point in this thread as this thread is about the engine not the art. Therefore, although yes, I did disregard it, I didn't ignore it.

[Jabode]

This is a gaming forum. We are SUPPOSED to misunderstand what you are saying on purpose then blather on bout some quote we take out of context. Its our job.

I would love to see a game made with the crytech engine and then remade with the UE3. Might be interesting to see the differences.

[NavMan]

How about Half Life?

[Jabode]

What about half life?

[NavMan]

Made in the Crytek engine. And maybe not remade in the UE3 engine.

[Jabode]

That would be pretty awesome. You can actually see some destructible environments in the source egnine used in Half Life 2 Episode 2

[geostigma]

Source engine is not even close to UE3 or Cryteck. How ever its still good for what it does.

[NeoSeeker]

Source engine is not even close to UE3 or Cryteck. How ever its still good for what it does.

aaagh, it's spelled "Crytek", if i see it mispelled one more time the shoosting begins:P

[geostigma]

Cryteck

[Jabode]

Have you realized what you have done? YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

[Kester]

aaagh, it's spelled "Crytek", if i see it mispelled one more time the shoosting begins:P
I feel your pain. I had to change the name of this thread to correct it.

[P-Thunder.]

When source was anouced and before it resled with the proper specs people instantly said that it wouldnt run on there system. Ive ran it on a 256mb ram intel celeron with a Geforce 4 MX420. It didnt play all that well but it worked.

[jackattack502]

Ive been looking at crysis, and it looks like it will cause a small thernonuclear explosion if i tried to run it on my computer. However, my gameplay vote has to go to UT2K7, simply because UT pwns all with its combo-liscious, frag-tastic gameplay

[Jabode]

^The point of this argument is the engine itself, not that games it runs.

[DKR1138]

ah, but the playability of games is an Engine sight. UR3 offers expensive graphics at what appears and I'm willing to bet at a cheaper (system memory) cost than Cryteks new engine. and thats a definate plus.

UR3 is a completely customisable engine which can be used on any game, and at point is easy to use... Cryteks new engine atm is at no point really to be commented on until its full out to play with.

[Jabode]

I was about to go to their website to show you all the bad games on UE3, but when I saw the list I was shamed.
List (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_engine#Unreal_Engine_3_2)

[NavMan]

Well at least it has that variety. The Crytek engine has only one game on it so far. And thats Crytek!

[rtanger]

That's a mighty list you found there, jabode. Almost nothing but A-grade games (or potential A-grade games) from top to bottom (with few exceptions). *scrolls up list* I knew the Unreal engines have been used in many games, I really didn't think it was THAT many games.

[jambo]

That list is friggin epic!

[Kester]

The CryEngine has been licensed out to be used on an MMO game set on a terraformed Mars iirc.

[jambo]

Well the new Stargate MMORPG is using the UE3, so it'll be very interesting to see how they deal with possibly hundreds of characters running around on screen!

[geostigma]

Real test is net code and amount of people in a game. MMO's are going to test these two engines to the limits.

[cowfish13]

Argggg I'm so stupid!

I didn't realise Crysis is the same as Crisis!

[Kester]

What the hell is Crisis?

[jambo]

Crisis is a national charity that fights homelessness and empowers homeless people to fulfill their potential and transform their lives

http://www.crisis.org.uk/

[Kester]

Doesn't sound like much fun!

Crisis - The Game

You are John "the bum" Doe, stranded in a world with no friends or life. In your continuous battle against the greater evil, you must find your next meal and a bed for the night. Will you succeed? Will you ever free yourself from this endless strife?

Join up to 31 other bums in a multiplayer experience like no other! River fishing with only a boot to catch your prey!

[P-Thunder.]

"Three tramps...Two kebabs...But only one bottle of frosty jacks, which tramp will succeed and get pissed."

New mod idea! :haha:

[Jabode]

I would download the mod. One carboard box... TO RULE THEM ALL.

[cowfish13]

Eh crysis and crisis are said the same way.

[Psyborg]

To differentiate, you should pronounce one of them "Cressis".

[jambo]

....or not =/

[FLIPINOMAD]

Crytek, I seen what teh Unreal 3 engine can do though I am impressed with it I still prefer Crytek.

[jambo]

UE3 will be used more so that's still my choice!

[Atomic Waffle]

Dynamic Sand and Water, Ragdolled and partial gibbing, and photo-realistic face-rendering software. Only in the Sauce Engine.

[Jabode]

The sauce engine is the only good engine.

[NeoSeeker]

^^Are you talking about the "Tomato Sauce" engine?

[Atomic Waffle]

Allow me to explain:

GoldSource Engine ---> Source Engine ---?

Tomato Sauce Engine --> 25 years ---> Sauce Engine --?

[P-Thunder.]

Quake II engine pwns all.

[jackattack502]

What a brave but foolosh graphics card, my Geforce 6100 onboard fears all.


My geforce 2 fears all, with hardware support only up to dx7.

[geostigma]

Ghost Recon could use Cryteck soo bad.

[jambo]

I've been playing GRAW2 on PC and the FOV seems really off. Way too zoomed in.

[Kester]

Ghost Recon could use Cryteck soo bad.
You should tell Chuck. He works on it doesn't he?

[Jabode]

I didn't really think that the ghost recon games are physically accurate, and they don't need to be. The engine they use is pretty good for what they needed it for. Without vehicles, or even jumping, it wouldn't fit. Also, Crytech doesn't seem much like it would look nice in urban enviroments.

[Lopez]

Bwahahahahahaha My GeForce FX 5200 256mb Factory OC'ed to 300mhz core fears NOUGHT. NOUGHT!!!!!!!!! It laughs in the face of minimum specifications. However, I think it may bleed silicon to either of these two new engines I mean sure it plays oblivion on reasonable settings but it struggles with the original CryEngine on anything above mediumish on the highest res. Technology-wise CryTec however Fun-wise U3 because Unreal games in general are more fun than far cry *SPOILER*(although far cry is good up until the monkeys)*END OF SPOILER*

EDIT: FTR, the Source engine pwns all.
Quote (think it was Navman, didnt want to double post) "How about Half Life?" some group of modders remade the original half life in the original doom engine, WTF? Since id made Doom open source (apparently) loads of people have been making random mods but you should all check it out http://www.snipurl.com1amz3 couldn't find the site so I had to look in PCGamer.

[Jabode]

^The thing about source is it always being updated. So it will always be slightly different in each game.